Arrow: I’m Kinda Famous Right Now

I really want to love this show. You know I do. I’m just not totally there yet. It has some really fantastic moments and then some “OMG what am I watching” moments…the thing is, it’s not just about this show…it’s kind of about me being a hypocrite/jackass and not giving the show a break when it comes to those “Okay that could NEVER happen!” moments. I just have issues with every show/movie I see where people are outrunning machinegun fire.

Look, my favourite guilty pleasure show is The Vampire Diaries…which, I shouldn’t even have to say it’s a “guilty pleasure” like it’s something to be embarrassed about ‘cuz it’s a really great, well written, amazingly acted show, but I digress, the point is: it’s clear I’m not looking for total realism from my shows. It’s just that one of the things I kept reading about Arrow was that it’s not a typical superhero with super powers show…just a man with heightened skills. Or something to that effect. So, I can totally buy into the crazy ass, extreme parkour of it all and the amazing fight scenes and the fantastic strength and accuracy with which he’s able to throw butter knives…I’ll just never buy into the outrunning machine guns thing.

Okay, let me get on with this…

The opening fight scene brings us this week’s #Amellyfact directly from Stephen (yeah, I totally used a hashtag in blog post…it’s not illegal). “The punch to the head with the bow at the end of the first fight was my idea.” He went on to say it would make sense when I saw it & it (obviously) did. And, for the record, can I just say that my “I’m not sure I’m 100% in love with the show yet” thing does not extend to the fight scenes. I love the fight scenes. So much. Almost as much as the workout scenes. I’m not sure what that says about me. Please feel free to tell me in the comments…I can take it.

  • Love the Kardashian mention…even though it makes me go to that dark place within that just wants to rant about why the fuck they’re famous anyway.
  • Watching Oliver talk to the judge while reinstating his alive & well-ish status…my mom: “He’s so handsome! Good God he’s got a beautiful mouth…those lips…!!!” Which made me go from, “Yeah Ma, he’s aiiight.” (not my exact words) to “Okay, Mom…you’re totally creeping me out. Stop looking at his mouth like that.”
  • And then, all that looking at his mouth made me think back to the opening of the show and long haired, full bearded, flashback Oliver’s lips…there’s something on them. Are they just super chapped from exposure/dehydration or is it coconut crumbs? I assume coconut ‘cuz he’s on an island and I’ve watched a LOT of Survivor.
  • Laurel’s “this is my ex-boyfriend, who’s been on an island for 5 years and was sleeping with my sister before that” mini tirade was brilliant. At least Oliver had the decency to look a little bit scolded. Or was that him remembering sleeping with Sarah?
  • WORKOUT SCENE!!!! That whole climbing up the rope thing was super impressive strength wise but still paled in comparison to the salmon ladder and its visual appeal. I’m speaking strictly from a technical standpoint and from the perspective of what really works on TV. And stuff.
  • I seriously love that Oliver implies, to his MOTHER, that he’s out whoring it up when he ditches Dig…as in, literally paying for it seeing as he makes it clear that they’re not even at the exchanging first names stage…and then Moira suggests he should take Dig with him next time. ‘Cuz that wouldn’t be awkward at all. Though I’m not entirely certain the girl would mind…I’m sure she’d let anybody watch for a price. Not that I know…I’m just guessing. Anyway, that’s all moot ‘cuz WE know that’s not really what he’s doing. Though, after 5 years on an island, I totally wouldn’t blame him. Or judge him. At all.
  • YOU GUYS!!! Moira totally went to the Damon Salvatore School of Crazy Eyes Acting where opening your eyes as wide as possible means “I REALLY mean what I’m saying right now so you better take me seriously!!!!”
  • Wouldn’t this Detective Lance investigating the Martin Somers thing be a bit of a conflict of interest? Is he the only cop in town? And what kind of detective takes evidence out of the bag and touches it all over the place without gloves? Has he never watched an episode of CSI: Any City?
  • See!!! Somers agrees that this is totally a conflict of interest. I’m not sure it’s a good thing that I’m on the same page as the criminal in this scene. And then…he totally goes on to threaten the Detective but all Lance does is stay quiet and walk away…??? Come. On. no detective would do that. None.
  • Which part is difficult, Walter?  “…everyone fantasizing that I got my MBA while I was on the island?” I mean, c’mon Oliver…it’s not that much of a stretch, is it? You learned how to make deadly weapons there and took some serious fitness classes and leaned how to speak Russian (and Chinese, we’ll learn later) there so it’s not inconceivable that they’d also offer business courses to those overachieving, double (or triple) major castaway types. Right?
  • I do not like this whole “Get away! Stop eating my father!” scene. Seeing Amell even pretend to puke is not something I ever needed to see. Unless we were hanging out one night and he needed me to hold his hair out of the way or rub his back or something. That’d be different.
  • Well, hey there, Kelly Hu!!! Remember when you were on TVD and you totally dug your fingers in and gouged out my Damon’s eyes?? I’m still a little mad at that. So, even though you eventually won me over with your love for Anna, I’m going to have to ask you to be on your best behaviour lest you find yourself back on my hit list. (my hit list is totally figurative…it’s nothing like Oliver’s hit list…just so we’re clear)
  • Thea pushing Oliver’s shirt off seems a little inappropriate to me…mind you, I don’t have an older brother with those abs…that back…maybe in that case it’s okay?
  • Thea telling her brother that he’s gonna have to let somebody in is a great idea. Hey, here’s another one…has anyone suggested that Ollie see a therapist who specializes in PTSD? I’d imagine they could help.
  • This whole “the one thing I thought about on the island everyday & I knew if I ever got that chance again I’d want to do it with you”…the ice cream is totally a euphemism for sex right? Right!?
  • Okay, now that I’ve watched this scene a few times to make sure I was right…I need to know why Oliver had a butter knife on the coffee table beside the ice cream…who the fuck eats ice cream with a butter knife?? Laurel’s a lawyer & has a great apartment…you can’t tell me she doesn’t have a full set of flatware. Did the island make him forget about spoons altogether? That’s it. He came back from the island with a rare case of memory loss that only effects the knowledge of cutlery and its proper uses.
  • Jesus, Dig…once you’ve ascertained that Mr. Queen & Ms. Lance are okay, you should probably get on with the job of finding out where the assassin has run off to instead of staying there for an extra minute to make sure that Oliver knows “This is why it’s a good idea to have a bodyguard!”…China White’s not going to hang around waiting for you to get your dig (ha! I’m a nerd) in.
  • Det. Lance: “Well that’s dirty, using me against me. You can’t do that.” That’s not really a rule, right? ‘Cuz to me, it seems like the best way to get your point across.
  • Drunk Oliver at the ground breaking/memorial thing for his Dad is, to me, the best part of this whole episode. This is my favourite Oliver. He seems the most real, it comes across as the most natural…which is kinda funny ‘cuz, I’m not entirely certain but, while I was watching I had the thought that Ollie wasn’t really drunk there…he was just acting it. Anyway, whether he was or wasn’t plastered…he was the best. Even if he DID leave on a sour “leave me the fuck alone” note. Maybe beCAUSE he left on that note.
  • Wait. If Oliver found the little book with the obviously, eventually significant logo after his father was dead and the book, seemingly, had nothing but blank pages…where did he get the names?

Okay…final thoughts:

  • This is random but, is it just me or does Laurel seem a little young to be fighting all these high profile public cases? How old are they supposed to be? Is it totally ageist of me to wonder about this?
  • Did we just get our first glimpse of Ollie’s predecessor/archery tutor? Where are my comic book people? Does that guy have a name? Do I want to know? Is it spoiler-y? Should I just wait and see?
  • I’m still not crazy about the Laurel/Tommy dynamic. Maybe ‘cuz I’m not supposed to be? I don’t know. I just don’t like it.
  • I also don’t love Moira but the whole aspect of her being involved in all this shit & dropping little bombs at the ends of the episodes is definitely intriguing…will that become the norm?

What’d you think? Did you love it? Hate it? Are you indifferent? Chat about it in the comments or yell at me on Twitter if you want…I’m there a lot. (@erintalkscrap)

I know I’m still holding back my proclamation of 100% true love of the show but that doesn’t mean that I’m not excited about next week. I totally am. I just hope there aren’t any machine guns next week.

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  • Eric Pharand

    Entertaining. Good. The voice-overs are as bad or worse. I don’t like that Oliver didn’t get hit by machine gun fire 2 episodes in a row for the same reasons you don’t. The Dark Knight got hurt after all I didn’t like the delivery of some of Amell’s lines (e.g. about the pensions and about ice cream). I like the fight scenes, Laurel’s scenes, the press conference, and Oliver and Dig’s scenes. I like that Oliver’s mom is a villain. The book being blank was a surprise. A thought: Oliver can go get his father’s remains. If Det. Lance is assigned to major crimes then it’d be likelier that he’d cross paths with Arrow more often I guess. I don’t want him to always be the detective but he probably will be. Thea is the worst. She’s the Declan of the Arrow universe.

    Erin, did you watch the Katie Cassidy clips I posted on last week’s review?

  • erintalkscrap

    Hey Eric :) You know, I still don’t mind the voice overs all that much. I really just think they’re necessary. They don’t bug me. I can’t cast Thea as Declan yet. I like her. I just didn’t like her undressing her brother.
    I did watch the Katie clips…I like her. I actually remember that scene from Melrose…that was SO long ago. I’m SO old.
    Oh Brady…torturing Caroline was a terrible, horrible thing. And I was mad…but we made up. I pick favourites…some people may think it’s wrong but it’s my prerogative. Caroline’s okay and it led to some great Stefan/Caroline moments & Stefan garnered some “awwww, Stef!!” moments from me. So, I got over it. The same way I get over all the shit Damon does. ‘Cuz he’s my favourite.
    ;)

  • Dawn

    I feel like the 2nd episodes are just continuations of the pilot. I’ll give it until Episode 6/7 until I make my final decision- it takes a while for the actors to find their flow and the story line to settle in. It was a bit clunky in moments but ultimately compelling to watch what Oliver is going to do next.

  • http://twitter.com/mmallia Mindi Mallia

    The book being blank was a surprise to me, especially since he said something along the lines of “it was no surprise his name was also in my father’s book” earlier in the episode. It wouldn’t be a surprise at all if Oliver himself had actually put it there…? I don’t know. Maybe I need to watch it again.

    The tombstone said Oliver was born in 1985, so he’s 27. I’d guess Laurel is about the same age. So young, yeah, but she could conceivably have been a lawyer for a few years at this point.

    Overall, I like it. I think I will probably end up loving it eventually, but at this point I just feel like we saw the same internal struggle twice. Last episode he was normal to Laurel and then realized he should keep her at a distance to protect her. This episode he basically does the same thing, though with everyone else. Which is fine, we get that he needs to do it, but if that’s going to be the same issue every week then that’s going to get boring.

    Oh, and the last thing… I get that him taking his place at the company would be difficult for him with his hectic crime-fighting schedule, but it also seems like Oliver thinks if he acts responsible and takes his place there that everyone will figure out he’s Green Arrow. That I don’t get, maybe I was just reading into too much.

  • mayadolid

    I was going to save the show for December but I couldn’t help myself and there was another workout scene so I’m glad that I watched. :D

    I really don’t think Ollie would have to pay for it . There are plenty of women out there (raises hand) who would hook up with him on a “no names” basis.

    I actually thought Laurel’s rant at the courthouse was pretty unprofessional. Guess who doesn’t give a shit about your love life? The client whose fighting for the murder of her father against the Chinese Triad.

    Paul Blackthorne who plays her father needs to calm the fuck down. I don’t know if/why the director told him to ham up his scenes like he just did some hardcore 80s cocaine but that’s what it came off as. Too much for me.

    As for the blank book, my guess is that Deathstroke (who will be the big bad) had some connections to the bad guys in Starling City and schooled Ollie not only in the ways of Revenge (his Takeda, if you will) but also gave him premium intel to fill up that book. I’m also guessing that Deathstroke (or rather his alter-ego, Slade Wilson) is the guy in the limo.

    Good second episode. A 27-year old lawyer trying big cases is not that realistic but at least more so than that confession made under threat of arrow to face or groin which is so unbelievably inadmissable in any court.

    Give Willa Holland more stuff, she’s awesome!

    I like that both Dig and Tommy have suspicions about Ollie. Much more realistic and less annoying than everyone being in the dark.

  • erintalkscrap

    LOL! The workout scene was definitely worth the watch!
    I’m not saying Ollie would HAVE to pay for it…I’m just saying that some men, in his position might prefer to pay for it…no hassle, not attachment, no mess…again, that’s just a guess though ;)
    Holy shit!!! I totally forgot to mention how much Det. Lance drove me fucking crazy…he just seemed SO inappropriately loud & hyper & out of control in almost every scene…I’ve heard great things about Blackthorne but this did not give me the impression that those great things were true. It just seemed way overacted to me.
    I’m excited for a few episodes down the road when things (like Dig & Tommy’s suspicions) start really coming together. I’m trying really hard to be patiend. Yes, I know we’re only 2 eps in. I’m not good at patient. :)

  • erintalkscrap

    Agreed! We need a little more time…I’m hoping that my lack of full love isn’t coming across as me not liking it at all…’cuz I do…I think it’s got a ton of potential…we just need to get a little further into the storyline for me to be totally hooked…I have no doubt that will happen as we delve further into the relationships. And stuff.

  • erintalkscrap

    Maybe he already had a copy of his father’s book (and names) & the blank one that he found in his dad’s pocket was just a lucky find & a place where he could start journaling stuff of his very own? …
    I don’t know if I see him taking his place in the company as the only way he can prove his responsibility. It doesn’t seem like he wants it at all…whether he had this whole plan o’ vengeance or not. I mean, clearly with the drunk act he’s going out of his way to prove his continued irresponsibility but once that’s done…which, nevermind…the vengeance thing is clearly never going to be done so I’m wasting brainspace trying to think, hypothetically, what will happen when Ollie’s in a position to really make his own choice about taking over his father’s company without the time constraints that getting changed into his disguise & applying & washing off his mask repeatedly force him into. Ugh.
    Excuse me while I go watch the salmon ladder & rope climbing scene to rid my brain of nonsensical speculation. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/hockeybychoice hockeybychoice

    I enjoyed this a lot. Training montage!!! I noticed a little more attention to his ridiculous muscular back, which I appreciate.

    Laurel’s dad was seriously overacting. His heavy breathing and crazy eyes were really distracting.

    The fight scenes are the best part. Very Nikita, which I LOVE. The machine gun fire is a huge pet peeve for me in action TV shows, and it did sort of take me out of the scene. I just had to keep reminding myself that this isn’t realistic, it’s superhero-y and I should just enjoy it.

    I’m digging this Amell dude very much. I didn’t know much about him before this, but I’m enjoying his face (among other things, yes of course). I think he’s doing a great job of playing the different versions of Oliver.

    Getting excited about learning more about the Island. It’s so creepy cool, but they need to cool it with the shaky cameras before I vomit all over my couch.

  • mayadolid

    Paul Blackthorne is pretty awesome in other things that he does (he pulls off being sleazy, smarmy and still charming quite well) so it’s a shame that this grotesque performance from the William Shatner School of Acting Like Daniel Day Lewis is your first taste of PB (puns!) He’s usually not this bad! Poor Katie Cassidy looked downright bewildered in some of her scenes with him.

  • erintalkscrap

    I, too, enjoy the Amell dude. Not sure if you could tell ;)
    I think you’re exactly right…it’s just the REALLY unrealistic stuff that I have a problem with…which is ridiculous, I know. I need to let go & just enjoy. The rest of it’s great…I like where the relationships are headed, I like Mom’s involvement, I like Oliver’s relationship with Dig, I think I’ll get to love Laurel and I already like Thea & hope she’ll get some fun stuff to do… I don’t love Tommy…but there’s always gotta be somebody we don’t love other than the ‘big bad’, right? So, I pick Tommy & overacting Det. Lance. He completely took me out of his scenes ‘cuz I was too busy wondering WTF he was on.
    The choreography of the fight scenes is fantastic.
    Perhaps some Gravol before the next episode? It should help keep you from puking on your couch AND it should relax you just enough to be able to overlook Laurel’s father’s maniacal behaviour.

  • mizzkruger

    I’m glad I’m not the only one bothered by all the bullet dodging. I’m generally willing to suspend my disbelief but sometimes it’s just ridiculous.

    LOVED the workout scene; The CW clearly answers my prayers. Between this and HoD, there are some sexy backs on tv this week.

    I like Katie Cassidy from SPN and Harper’s Island (not so much on GG) but I wonder when Laurel is gonna start questioning why all her cases get solved via some deus ex machina plot device.

    Can’t wait to see more of the island! Pity I’m gonna have to endure more of that weird hair, though.

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